Daniel Rock: 0:06

Welcome to wherever I lay my hat, a podcast about the concept of home. Today's guest is Dan Klauser. I hope I've said that correct in, or is it closer Dan

Dan Clouser: 0:15

Clowser, you're right.

Daniel Rock: 0:16

Klauser? Awesome. After 30 years of successfully leading a nonprofit youth sports organization, Dan and his wife Sandy sold the house and all of their stuff in August of 2020 to live full time in an RV traveling the country with their golden retriever Eucalysts. Working around Dan's, who is the author of four books and counting speaking schedule. They volunteer at various locations, help others and tell the stories of their travels and those they meet through blogging, social media, and podcasting. Welcome to the show, Dan.

Dan Clouser: 0:44

Thanks for having me. Looking forward to it.

Daniel Rock: 0:47

Awesome. And that's something just touching on the RV piece. As I sort of mentioned off air, that's something that, um, my wife and I have thought about quite a bit. Um, I kind of liked the idea of the freedom though, having a 16 month, 16 month year old probably puts a little bit of a, a dampener on that idea, I think for the foreseeable future, but it's definitely of interest at some point. So.

Dan Clouser: 1:08

I highly recommend it when, uh, when you get the opportunity, I would highly recommend to jump on it.

Daniel Rock: 1:15

So I'd love to sort of hear a little bit more about, um, kind of how you ended up there. Give us a little bit of your background and kind of how you ended up traveling the country in an RV full time.

Dan Clouser: 1:25

Yeah, absolutely. So it wasn't something that was a goal of mine for many years. You know, if you would have talked to me, even in 2018, I would tell you that I would probably, you know, die on one of the fields of the sports complex. I was running at the time, you know, because I was passionate about it. I loved helping kids. And just really, really enjoyed what I did. in early 2019, I took two solo road trips. one was from Pennsylvania to Texas. Um, and then when I left Texas, I actually went through Louisiana and saw some friends of mine and then back to Pennsylvania and about two months after that, I did the same thing. Um, going from Pennsylvania. Down to Orlando, Florida. And those two trips was really the first time in my life where I took the time and enjoyed the journey. Like I had a specific and time that I had to be at both those spots, but I'd left a little early to. You know, to take time. I saw one of my old players in Atlanta, Georgia on my way to Orlando. Um, and then, like I said, I stopped and saw some friends actually, both when I was in Texas and, uh, when we went, when I went back through Louisiana, and I kind of had this aha moment during those 2 trips. Um, just to back up a little bit, my mother took an old 1967 Plymouth Valiant, um, took the backseat out of it, turned it into a kind of quasi RV back in the 1980s and traveled all around the country, um, on her own, at her own pace, um. You know, again, stopping and working for a little bit. If she thought she was running low on money or, you know, she did a lot of volunteer work as well. Um, so those two trips, I kind of had this aha moment where it was like, wow, man, I think I finally figured out why mom did what she did, you know, now this was, you know, Almost 15 years after she'd passed away. Um, and I thought I had an understanding of why she did it, but those two trips gave me a much better understanding of why she did it. I was also at that time in the process of adding 10 chapters to my first book, which I'd originally published in 2012 and, uh, I got back from those two trips, I had written like I hadn't written in a long time. again, kind of heard this voice, um, you know, speaking to me saying, you know, it's time to close this chapter and, and start a new one. You want to, you know, use your gifts of, of writing and, and speaking to touch even more people in what you're teaching, touching through youth sports. And initially I completely rejected that thought because, you know, the organization I was running, I had founded. you know, so at that point in my life, 60 percent of my life, I'd spent running this organization and I knew I was touching the lives of kids and I knew I was changing the kids lives the better. And, you know, like I said, I thought that was my calling. I thought that's, you know.

Daniel Rock: 4:32

Okay. Yep. Lovely podwalk.

Dan Clouser: 5:01

too late to make a change. You know, lot of people think I'm too old to do this or, you know, I've been here for so long. That's really not the case. You can just, you know, you can make whatever change you want to make at any age you want to make it. So, I ran the idea past my wife, you know, I said, hey, let's do it. What do you think about us selling the house and everything and getting in an RV and, you know, traveling around a little bit like my mom did and, uh, she was like, you're completely out of your mind. This is a terrible idea. Uh, you know, I don't know why you would ever think this was a good idea. So I kind of let it, let it simmer for a little bit. And she was also going through some, some issues at her, uh, place of employment at the time, uh, where some doors were not opening them up. You know, we thought we're going to be opened up for, she had been laid off, uh, from a company in the oil and gas industry after being there for 23 years. And she was now working in a, another company in the same field. Uh, she went on as a temporary employee, uh, you the expectation that you would be hired full time after a couple months, we're now going on 2 years. And every time she had that conversation about. okay, when am I going to get hired full time? It would be derailed somehow some reason, given why it wasn't happening and, uh. 1 day after 1 of those conversations, she came home and she said, you know what? I think this is a sign as well. I'm in, let's go ahead and do this. So we put put everything in motion at that point. let my board know my, my nonprofit that at the end of that year, we're going to be stepping away and figure out an exit plan and all that sort of stuff. uh. That literally put the wheels in motion and, uh, you know, here we are now a little over 4 and a half years into it. loving every second of it. And I, you know, the, the concept of your show about, you know, where you're hanging your hat, I mean, we're, we're recording this right now. I'm, I'm looking out at the Gulf of Mexico and Fort Myers beach, Florida. We're, staying in a parking lot and, you know, I can just see the palm trees and the sunshine, and, you know, this is where we, we laid our hat, um, tonight. And when we're done recording, we're going to hit the road and we'll lay our hat, you know, another two hours, two and a half hours North of here. So.

Daniel Rock: 7:22

Yeah, getting closer to me. I'm up in Birmingham in Alabama, so not far from not that far. Really. This is by certainly by American standards. It's around the corner pretty much.

Dan Clouser: 7:30

ha ha.

Daniel Rock: 7:33

kind of. That's a couple of things you said in there that I kind of want to just explore a little bit with you, which I think is really interesting. That whole focusing on the journey rather than the destination piece. It's a really interesting one. I travel a lot for my day job. You know, I go all around the world and the US to go to conferences and trade shows and things like that. And you get that conversation. Oh, you know, it must be exciting to go to these places. Like actually, when you go for work, you don't, you go, if you go for a conference, you see a hotel, you know, yeah. You see a conference room or event center and you might see a restaurant or bar or two if you know that and that's literally it. You don't see anything of the city. You don't appreciate anything of it. And it's, it then just becomes the, it becomes the rut and it becomes like the, the train that you're on and the cycle and all of that stuff. But. One of my, I suppose, guilty pleasures is watching people like Noel Phillips or Jeb Brooks or Michael Downey on YouTube, who are the travel bloggers, but I don't blog about the destinations they go to their whole blogs for the most part are about the journey and the travel, especially Jeb and Noel. They very much do that, and that fascinates me that, you know, I love watching a bit of a nerdy thing. I love watching journeys about like long Amtrak journeys or, you know, the Trans Siberian Express, which is all about the journey, you know, all about. It's enjoying where you are at the moment. Experiencing that journey rather than it just being, well, I'm getting from point A to point B in the most efficient way. It's actually some sometimes doing it in a really inefficient way is actually the more exciting piece. Um, and then the other thing I sort of wanted to touch on is that never too late piece. And I think that's a really interesting one. I think as human beings, we do that. We, we restrict ourselves to this idea that I am now 45 or 50 or, you know, even people in life, like 30, right? Okay. I can't travel anymore. I have to settle down. I have to do these things. And, you know, someone who's lived in three countries and the last one has been for six, seven, eight months. Yeah. No, I'm nearly nine months in the U S now. And I did that in my mid forties. Yeah. Nothing's too late. You know, life is, you know, this is one of these things you think people go, you know, I've done this and I'm stuck of it. There's almost no decision that can't be undone. Right. It's just. Anything can be. You can change your mind and go back and do things. So just kind of want to talk a little bit again now about kind of how your journey and what you're doing now has changed your viewpoint of what home means to you. Obviously, you found a lot of peace and a lot of, um, purpose is probably the word rather than peace in what you were doing before in doing the youth youth coaching or youth facility and training and sports. And that would have given you, I suspect, a sense of grounding and a sense of place.

Dan Clouser: 10:18

Yeah.

Daniel Rock: 10:18

How has that changed now moving into much more of a nomadic lifestyle?

Dan Clouser: 10:23

It's uh, I mean, it's. really changed our perspective because, again, anywhere we are, we're home. We're sleeping in our, our own bed. Um, just a few weeks ago, I spoke at a conference up in Orlando where we actually, you know, just the way the conference was set up, we had to actually be in a hotel room. so the RV was in the parking lot and we were actually, and that, that was very odd to me to have to pack a bag and, you know, walk from the parking lot up to the room and, you know, stay in a room. It was. It was neat, uh, to an extent, but it was also very different from what we're used to. Normally, you know, I mean, that was the first time I hadn't slept in, you know, our own bed and, and who knows how long, you know? Um, I think one of the things that's changed perspective is just really, you know, You know, enjoying the moment where we're at, we've been blessed, you know, we've got friends and family scattered all throughout this country. And, you know, former players of mine are, you know, all throughout the country. So, you know, we've been able to, um, them at a rate that certainly wouldn't be able to see them at, if we were, you know, still in a brick and mortar home back in Pennsylvania. Um, And that really allows us the opportunity to kind of cherish those moments. And, you know, as a former coach, uh, anytime I have the opportunity to get together with one of my players, it is just such an incredible blessing because, you know, a lot of times coaching youth sports is a very thankless job. You know, most of the phone calls and emails that you get are not telling you you're doing a great job. It's, you know, why is, is Bobby batting where he's batting or not playing or why is Susie in? right field when she should be in, you know, at shortstop or whatever the case is. so when you have the opportunity to reconnect with these players, you know, decades after you've coached them and see the impact they're making in the world and how they've, you know, become mothers and fathers and, you know, husbands and wives is really very rewarding. Um, you know, and like I said, I mean, I, I've been blessed that, you know, I, I loved it. That first career, you know, so a lot of times people, when they hear that we did this, they're like, oh, you must have hated your job. You're in a dead end job. You needed to make a change. And that was not the case at all. Like I said, it was actually a. An internal battle for me to kind of, you know, buy into this concept, so to speak. But now that we have, um, you know, we have no exit plan. People ask us, you know, like how long are you guys going to be doing this? And it's, you know, as long as we're healthy, you know, we, you just don't know. I mean, we've, know, since we've started this, so many of our friends who had, you know, plans for tomorrow and next year and two years from now have passed or have had a health incident that, you know, has not allowed them to, you know, Fulfill those dreams, so to speak, um, you know, so for us, it's just really cherishing the moment that we're in and take advantage of it for as long as we, we possibly can. So I don't know if I really answered your question there. If I just kind of rambled a little bit.

Daniel Rock: 13:37

That's the whole point of this podcast is that pieces like them. So no, I think you did. To be fair, though, I think that's just touching on that point a little bit more again about the sports coaching. I think that's something that is under looked in that type of role is it's not. between elite performance coaching and youth coaching in the elite performance coaching is generally just trying to eat the last difference in that last 5 percent of performance out of someone. Whereas youth coaching is not just about the sport, it's about molding the person and trying to make them better people, not just better sports people. And that in terms, I think, for do you think that in terms of your players often gave them a sense of home that Was lacking elsewhere or it doubled down on those things. How do you think that impacted for them? I know it's hard to talk for other people a little bit, but

Dan Clouser: 14:24

No, I definitely know for a fact that it, that it impacted them. And again, because of now being able to reconnect with them, you know, and them literally telling me, you know, if it wasn't for years I played with you, I wouldn't be the person I am today. You know, um, And just the number of, you know, former players weddings that we've been invited to, and I mean, it's such a huge honor. You don't really think of it so much, but, you know, I mean, that's literally the biggest day and, you know, most people's lives is a minute, you know, the moment they're, you know, exchanging vows with the person they're wanting to spend the rest of their lives with. And for you be invited to be a part of that, um, Yeah. very much an honor. So yeah, definitely have been able to see that in motion that, you know, cause I, I always did take a philosophy of, you know, it was about teaching the life lessons that were instilled within the game more so than winning and losing and,

Daniel Rock: 15:25

yeah.

Dan Clouser: 15:25

know, we want our fair share of championships. We, you know, I've coached players that have gone and played on, you know, professionally, I've got one of my former players right now is the assistant general manager for the Houston Astros. So, you know, Winning was a focus, but it wasn't the primary focus. You know, we were definitely an organization and I had a coaching style that. If you took care of the little things throughout the process of preparing for the game, the winning would take care of itself. So it wasn't, you know, Hey, we've got to do this. It's like, Hey, if we do this little thing and this little thing, and this little thing, and this little thing, then the end result should turn out to be a W. And if it's not, what can we learn? What, what fell apart in that process that, you know, created the loss instead of the win and how do we rectify that for the next time we take the field?

Daniel Rock: 16:16

And I think this isn't necessary sports podcast, but this is something very close to my heart. I've coached at a reasonable level and I've played a lot and I've been a chairman of a soccer club in New Zealand and, and those sorts of things. And I think that's something that is lacking in non elite sport. And I, and by that, I mean even like community sport or youth sport, even high level youth sport. I would, I would put in that bracket is that. If you build the right culture and the right work ethic and the right things, the results will come. You know, it shouldn't be about. Okay, we're going to do everything to win on Saturday. It should be. We're doing everything to win. So that do that. So we build a team that can win every Saturday, you know, and I think it's that. If you build that culture and people buy into, you know, the philosophy or the process because they see the benefit in it to them and to others, then they do it. Whereas if it's, I'm going to pick, you know, this person who's perhaps toxic to the culture of the organization every week because they're the best player and they're not going to see people, then you lose the rest of the squad or you lose the rest of the team. So I think what you said there and looking after little things. It's so important in that field. And that's why you get people to invite you to your wedding, to their weddings, right? Because they've bought into that philosophy and it feels like a safe and unhappy place for them.

Dan Clouser: 17:31

Yeah, and, you know, our recruiting process, we, we said, oftentimes, we weren't necessarily looking for the best player. For our team, we're looking for the right player for our team. and, and that's something that translates into business, you know, and into life, and that's one of the beautiful things about teaching that philosophy is, you know, at the end of the day, know, even though I love to say about, you know, the number of players that have gone on to play professionally, or were, you know, high level collegiate players, you know, at the end of the day, the vast majority of the players I coached did not go on to play professional baseball. And many didn't even go on to play collegiate baseball. They were able to use those lessons that they learned on the field to become productive members of society, and those are the ones I'm even more proud of the ones who did continue their career in baseball. Yes. Yeah.

Daniel Rock: 18:32

Saban, who obviously a winning coach and obviously used this clips of him yelling and screaming and doing all these things. But actually when you look at his philosophy about how he treated his players and when things weren't good. It was about the culture building piece, you know, it was all about, you know, and that's one of the reasons he doesn't like he retired, right? It wasn't just because, you know, he saw the end, but the whole and I believe the players should be paid for their performance on a big, you know, if there's hundreds of million dollars in a sport, the players should be getting some of that, not just a 70, 000 tuition. Right? But I think The changes for him around, you know, the N. I. L. Money and the transfer. I think it was the transfer portal rather than the money. And I think he's come out and said that it was the transfer portal piece where you know you no longer got the chance to work with players and you no longer got a chance to build players. And I think if you look at, you know, and I don't know how much you follow college football living in Alabama now, it's the You can't help it. It's in, it's everywhere. Um, but there's a 17 year old, um, freshman called Ryan Williams, wide receiver for Alabama, who's a phenom at 17. Like he does things as a wide receiver that just years ago we scheduled 17. He said one year Alabama, he's likely to go in the transfer portal. And go to a different college because he, he can see the money. I have no issue with him taking the money and the money should go to players, but it does make it hard to build that, that culture and that learning piece where you grow young men and young women into being something more than they could be. It then becomes an it's takes college sport into that transactional professional level, which I think is, wasn't really what it was designed for. Yep.

Dan Clouser: 20:11

country that we, we never can find the happy medium, you know, so I'm with you. I think players should have been getting paid all along. I think we took it from, you know, 0 to, you know, 100, 000 overnight. We're instead of gradually building it because, you know, even in youth sports, especially in like travel sports, you see, you know, players move in and there's no money involved here. It's just, you know, what they, or their parents may think is the better opportunity, you know, one bad season. You know, now all of a sudden they want to jump to a team that, that is, you know, a winning team or, or something like that. If they had one losing season and that's not really what life is all about. Life is again, about working through that and, you know, building it up. And that's one of the things that, you know, I'm very proud of is we, we had a lot of players that came on to, Our organization at a young age at 10, 12 years old and stayed with us through their senior year of high school. And again, I think that said a lot and that wasn't because we won championships every year in between there. You know, there were some kids that stuck through us through some lean age groups where, you know, maybe our, you know, 1 age group was having a down year. But they stuck around and then they moved up in the next year, you know, for whatever reason that same group of kids with a couple, you know, changed turns into a championship caliber team, you know, so a lot to be learned again, going back to that process as opposed to, oh, things aren't good here. Let's just jump ship because again, that's just not how life is. I mean, if, if you think of the workplace or a marriage, you know, not every day in a marriage is, you know, fun in the sun, it's, you know, it's work. And if. you're taught that culture of not having that commitment to work through those difficult times, it just makes it so easy to walk away from anything in your life at that stage of the game. So I do think the transfer portal is something that, you know, hopefully can be addressed down the road and still allow the kids to, you know, take advantage of some of that money that the NCAA and the schools are

Daniel Rock: 22:16

Yeah.

Dan Clouser: 22:16

raking in by the truckload.

Daniel Rock: 22:20

And it's about, I think you touched on there, right? If, if you never learned to face adversity, you never learned to work out how to get by when things are hard, then at some point you're going to hit a brick wall in life. You know, cause. It's never plain sailing for everyone, you know? So I think that's, that's a really good point. Talking of that and segwaying a little bit. Um, what are the challenges? What were the challenges you found when moving from a life that was centralized in a single place to the sort of nomadic, what are the challenges that you faced? What's been the difficult bits about that journey?

Dan Clouser: 23:01

Um, you know, probably one of the most difficult things, and it's kind of, you know, good and bad is, you know, developing. There is no routine, which is good, but there are some times in life where you a routine, you know, um, there's no, I too host a podcast. So there's, times where, you know, just getting the time to be in a spot long enough to be able to, to go back and edit and get stuff ready to release, um, you know, making sure, uh, that, you know, I'm going to be recording a podcast has good internet, you know, um, You know, like even with this here as being a guest on a podcast, you know, I I'm running internet tests and making sure we're, we're going to be at a good spot when, when I jump on the computer with you. So, you know, from a quote unquote business angle, that's probably just the most challenging thing. And, it didn't long to, you know, develop, you know, what that routine would be like, I'll generally my own show. I make sure that we're, Recording on Tuesdays. And then we just schedule our, our travels around a spot where I know I'm going to be, you know, at a stable spot with good internet connection on a Tuesday to record. Um, so, you know, that's probably been the, the biggest challenge. I mean, it's, uh, and it's funny how we've, know, our travels have changed. Like when we first started traveling, I mean, we didn't, you know, a of times on a Wednesday, we didn't know where we would be on Saturday. Um,

Daniel Rock: 24:49

Mm hmm. Yeah,

Dan Clouser: 25:01

where I'm signing and that sort of stuff. So, but you know, it seems funny when I, I tell people, like, we really, you know, the, the highs are so much greater than the lows on this journey for us. Um, and I know, you know, things go wrong at times, you know, an RV is still, you know, it's literally a house on wheels. So, I mean, things go wrong. And, you know, we've just been fortunate enough that when. you know, when stuff has gone sideways for us, we've been in a position or in a spot where we could get it rectified, you know, rather quickly. So really just the logistics of, um, you know, being at the spot where I have to do what I have to do as far as the podcast and that sort of stuff. And, and the work that goes in, you know, again, recording is the first step of it. Then everything else you got to do is you well know we get it actually out on the internet, uh, is a whole nother, Another kettle of fish. So there are, you know, there are times where I may, you know, I generally release a new show on a Friday, you know, so there's times where I'm finishing up editing on Thursday night. Um, you know, and part of that is honestly just my own procrastination. Um, and, and part of it is just a travel schedule that it's like, I, I couldn't carve out an hour or two to, to sit and, you know, get it knocked out.

Daniel Rock: 26:18

it definitely takes longer to edit these and get them up than it does to record them. The recording is definitely the quick bit. Um, what about the real high points? What is it that's made you fall in love with the lifestyle that you're now living? That's made you think, right, we're going to keep doing this as long as we healthfully can. What's, what are the real key things there?

Dan Clouser: 26:39

the people we've met, you know, and the people have been able to reconnect with, and I touched on it a little bit with, you know, my players and stuff, but you know, the RV community is such a special, special community. Um, you know, even just a couple of weeks ago, friends of ours that are also full time RVers that we met on a volunteer project years ago, found out we were both, you know, in Orlando at the same time. So after I'd spoken to that conference, we went ahead and, you know, booked two nights at the campground that they were at. And, uh, you know, we hadn't seen them since, you know, April when we were on another volunteer project with them and, you know, just having the opportunity to sit and reconnect with them and, um, you know, all of our other nomad friends and their journeys. And, you know, there's times where we'll, we'll decide to go to a place because one of our friends posted. You know that, Hey, we were at such and such place. It was a great stay or even, you know, restaurants that they'll, you know, they'll stop at, you know, like there's a place out in California called, you know, Peggy Sue's fifties diner that, um, you know, friends of ours had posted how great it was, so we made, you know, it a point that when we were in California to stop at that, that diner and check it out. And, you know, we loved it. So, um, that's really the high is just the people and really understanding that, you know, as as what our, you know, society may be, you actually just take the time, sit down, have conversations with people, you're going to understand that They're much, much more deeper than whatever their political views may be, you know, so I've got friends of mine that are on sides of the spectrum, you know, I consider myself right down the middle for the most part, and I think you find most people are more to the middle than they are. The, the extremes, if you sit down and have, have that conversation with them, you know, so, um, that's probably been the highest at the end of the day, you know, we found out that we're all human beings and we really do have the same hopes and dreams and desires as what the vast majority of the rest of us do. Yep.

Daniel Rock: 29:00

explore on that I could go to, but I think I'd on a previous episode, this podcast, um, that hasn't hit the air yet, but we'll do before this one comes out. I interviewed, um, a gentleman called Dr. Scott Allen, who does, um, A lot of, he's a doctor that works with the immigration detention centers, and he's done a lot of work in corrections and stuff like that. And his thing is both when you get too much stuck in ideology, you take the humanity out of everything. Everything then becomes a number, or they become their, they become their political affiliation, or they become the bubble or the echo chamber that they're in. And actually, when you break it down, every human is flawed. They have their own opinions. They all want to know things. And, and. You know, I find that, you know, because I travel so much work, you're constantly meeting new people. And there's a lot of people who I do not agree with on a lot of things. Um, but you can still be friends with them because you can find that you met it. Now there's obviously going to be limits to that, but I think you're right. It's, it's fine that humanity and you know, that freedom in, just being able to talk to people and listen to other people's viewpoints and actually, you know, touch on that sort of things.

Dan Clouser: 30:04

Yeah.

Daniel Rock: 30:05

sort of last real question for you is, you know, if someone, if someone was looking to take the plunge and go down the RV lifestyle or the nomadic lifestyle, what are the recommendations or what advice would you give them? Yeah.

Dan Clouser: 30:21

to get it all figured out before you do it. Just do it. So, you know, I tell people all the time because a lot of times I think that my wife and I were RVers our whole lives that we would do weekend camping and that, you know, we've had an RV forever. But, you know, the truth of the matter is, I never drove an RV until the day I drove this thing off a lot, you know, so we were completely green, you know, um, So, we But there's so many resources out there between YouTube, um, you know, there's, there's books out there. Our one daughter did purchase a book for us. It was, uh, a beginner's guide to living in an RV full time or something like that. It was absolutely incredible. You know, wealth of information in there that, you know, we are so glad we read through it ahead of time. Um, but, and again, go back to that RV community. Um, it's so giving, you will find people to help you out along the way. If there's something that, that stumps you, you know, um, I also tell people that I am probably the least mechanically handy full time RVer in the world, but yet. You know, we've had times where our water pump failed on us. We had to replace it. We happen to be at a volunteer project when we when it happened and the 1 guy already had a spare water pump that he just, know, it to me and, you know, told me just order 1 on Amazon. And when it comes in, give me that 1, but this way we can get you back up and running right now. Uh, they didn't do the repair for me. They, they, you know, Stood over my shoulder and told me how to do it and showed me how to do it, which again, when we started, if you would have told me a couple of years into this journey, I'd be switching out the water pump on the RV. I'd be like, I don't think that's happening. Um, but again, it's just, it's the way the community is to, you know, really kind of rise up and support you. So, you know, if you're thinking of doing it. Do it. You don't have to have it all figured out. Um, you know, we're still figuring stuff out along the way. Um, and I think that's the beauty of it and relying on that, on that community. I mean, just just being in a campground is a different culture. You know, when you're taking a walk, people say hello to you. They smile at you. They wave. when you might be walking down, you know, a city street where people are trying at all costs to avoid making contact with you. God forbid you might say good morning. so it's just, it's a, it's a different culture. So if it's something you're, about, just do it. Don't worry about all the details. Um, you know, they'll work themselves out throughout the journey for sure.

Daniel Rock: 32:58

Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Dan. It's been awesome to have you on.

Dan Clouser: 33:02

Absolutely. I

Daniel Rock: 33:02

love you to do a quick plug for your books and the podcast and your podcast. And I'll include some details. Those in the show notes as well.

Dan Clouser: 33:09

Yeah, absolutely. If people want to, uh, reach out to me, find my podcasts, my blogs, uh, buy any of my books, um, just go to my website, which is journey my mothers son.com, or if that's too much of a mouthful, you can just go to dan klauser.com and they both go to the same site. So yeah, you can reach out, book me for speaking engagements, buy any of my books, check out, uh, any of my past podcasts. It's all right there on the website, and it'll take you to all of my socials from there as well. If, uh, if people wanna follow me on any of the socials.

Daniel Rock: 33:38

And I would include that link in the show notes if people do find it too much of a mouthful. So make sure they've got that as well. And. Again, thank you so much, Dan, and thank you for listening to this week's episode of wherever I lay my hat. As I said before, this is a story about you and the journeys that you have and your definition of home. So if you're interested in featuring on an episode, please reach out. Um, you can just email me at Dan at wherever I lay my hat. com. And again, thank you so much. And I hope you enjoyed today's show.